CW has progressed a lot since I've been back to the game.. but what is there left to kill for us? Oh you mean the stuff another guild keeps down already? I'm not talking about custo. There is a "prime time" that randomly comes up sometimes where we have the prime people for a progression target (but it is likely already down.. so don't want to hear trolly lectures) along with the fact that we haven't been farming our recently progressed content that long so people still need stuff from it and the time spent for stat upgrades is well spent on the stuff we are killing.
I do think Exodus was doing the same content for much too long.. but they were trying a few new things before they melted to FWF. At least they were completely ready for the next tier.
Part of the point I was making is that yes, spires/turuj are going to provide more reward per effort than higher tier progression. Hell, turuj basement would *still* provide better rewards per time to FWF.
The issue here, is not what provides the most reward/time. If that is your only criteria, you will literally never progress past this point (which CW has been at for 2? years now). You have no reasonable complaint about not being able to progress though.
FWF doesn't even come close to keeping all the t12/13 content down. I personally would be happy if other people killed some of it, allowing us to spend more time on the harder progression fights. It doesn't matter that people still need spires and turuj gear and tons of opuses and class tomes. Unless you are getting to the end of the fight with 18 people and *only* dieing because you just run out of mana, you are not being limited by your gear. I'd wager CW has the gear to do all but 1 or 2 of the fights FWF does.
Additionally, thinking you can only progress at *prime* raid time is another flawed mentality. I sometimes prefer to try new things when we have a somewhat skimpy raid. Sure, our chances of winning aren't too high, but it lets us put in the time required to learn and refine our strategy, so that when we do have the A team on, people are practiced and ready and just have to execute, rather than spending all your time with your best force just to learn a fight and test things and figure out all the mechanics.
This may just sounds/seems like FWF trying to brag or troll, but it is really not. I would love nothing more than to have a guild really competing for FWF content. I know from experience it invigorates FWF players to have to compete a little bit for more than alt/random spare gear/opus. CW could be trying/killing custo, undead taeshlin, sharnree, rujik, the fish in OG, all the deeper temple of elael content. There just is no arguement for too much competition right now or a lack of content.
This is the same thing people thought at T9 when thaz all clear, but UC was full pop, and generals/thaz1/2 were up. You just have to put in the time and be willing to not get super awesome rewards for every 1 hour of raiding if you actually want to progress.
