Beastlord Style 4 (Spiritual Guardian) Not working? (LONG LOG WARNING)

AoiMasamune

Dalayan Beginner
I was quite confused about what exactly spiritual guardian was doing after I was told to use it to control agro at level 20. I was told that it reduced the hate I was generating by a fellow player. /S List seems to confirm this. Some checking around showed me a post of others saying it allowed Beastlord pets to hold agro while the player was in melee range. The Wiki just says, "Warder can tank over beastlord" which is very, very ambiguous. Well anyway, I logged a couple of fights under very controlled circumstances to try and figure it out. Circumstances as follows:

Using daggers (my worst weapon skill)
Same Buffs
Same Gear
Same Level (myself and pet)
Pulled with magic, didn't use magic afterwards, only melee
Attacked until I had agro, turned off attack till I lost agro
Stayed within Melee range the WHOLE time. (very important note)
By coincidence, I also had Plague on me for both fights

Things that didn't stay the same:
While both mobs were undead gnolls in W. Badlands, one was the named in the camp, the other was the slightly lower level generic one nearby.
The generic gnoll resisted my DoT I was using to pull, the named did not.

Logs will follow, however some things that puzzle me...

My pet had to consistently do triple my damage to pull agro.
My pet could hold agro while I was in Melee range without the style.
The style had no obvious effect.

What does it DO!? :psyduck:

Another, much easier question before I get into copying logs... Why did our pet proc's get their +agro or -agro removed? No one seems to know this either.

LOG FORMAT:

Important notes
I had agro
Pet had agro
 
NOT USING STYLE

[Wed Jul 18 06:29:10 2007] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:12 2007] Targeted (NPC): a rotting plague gnoll
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:12 2007] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:15 2007] You begin casting Sicken.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:17 2007] Your target resisted the Sicken spell!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:18 2007] Raptor says, 'Attacking your target, Master!'
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:20 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but a rotting plague gnoll parries!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:21 2007] You have entered combat...
Gnoll Attacking Me: Damage done by me: 0 Damage done by pet: 0
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:21 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes YOU for 20 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:21 2007] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:22 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:23 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:23 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 22 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:24 2007] Auto attack is off.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:24 2007] A rotting plague gnoll tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:25 2007] A rotting plague gnoll bashes YOU for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:26 2007] Raptor bashes a rotting plague gnoll for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:27 2007] You are deflecting some of a rotting plague gnoll's damage with your attacks...
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:27 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 26 points of damage.

Gnoll Attacking Raptor: Damage done by me: 5 Damage done by pet: 54
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:28 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes Raptor for 20 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:28 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes Raptor for 17 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:29 2007] Araman tells the guild, '/cm journal'
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:30 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:31 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes Raptor for 27 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:33 2007] You are no longer deflecting a rotting plague gnoll's damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:33 2007] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:34 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 3 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:34 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:34 2007] Raptor bashes a rotting plague gnoll for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:35 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:37 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 3 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:37 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:38 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 21 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:38 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:40 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:41 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:41 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:41 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 4 points of damage.

Gnoll Attacking Me: Damage done by me: 31 Damage done by pet: 97
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:42 2007] A rotting plague gnoll bashes YOU for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:42 2007] Raptor tries to bash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:42 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:43 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:45 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:45 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:45 2007] You are deflecting some of a rotting plague gnoll's damage with your attacks...
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:46 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes YOU for 17 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:46 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:48 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:48 2007] Auto attack is off.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:48 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:50 2007] A rotting plague gnoll tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:50 2007] A rotting plague gnoll tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:50 2007] Raptor bashes a rotting plague gnoll for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:52 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:53 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes YOU for 10 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:56 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:56 2007] Raptor hit a rotting plague gnoll for 1 points of non-melee damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:56 2007] A rotting plague gnoll is consumed by lightning.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:57 2007] You are no longer deflecting a rotting plague gnoll's damage.

Gnoll Attacking Pet: Damage done by me: 45 Damage done by pet: 150
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:57 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes Raptor for 21 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:58 2007] You kick a rotting plague gnoll for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:58 2007] Raptor bashes a rotting plague gnoll for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:59 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:03 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:04 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes Raptor for 19 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:05 2007] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:06 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:06 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 3 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:06 2007] A rotting plague gnoll bashes Raptor for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:06 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 21 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:06 2007] Raptor tries to bash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:07 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 3 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:07 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:09 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:10 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:10 2007] You have become better at Piercing! (43)
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:10 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:12 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:13 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:13 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 20 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:13 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:13 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:14 2007] Raptor bashes a rotting plague gnoll for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:15 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:17 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:17 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:19 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes Raptor for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:19 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:19 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:20 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:21 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 19 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:22 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:22 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 6 points of damage.

Gnoll Attacking Me: Damage done by me: 103 Damage done by pet: 252
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:22 2007] A rotting plague gnoll tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:22 2007] A rotting plague gnoll slashes YOU for 12 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:22 2007] Raptor tries to bash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:23 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:24 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:24 2007] Raptor tries to slash a rotting plague gnoll, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:25 2007] You pierce a rotting plague gnoll for 3 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:26 2007] A rotting plague gnoll tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:26 2007] You try to pierce a rotting plague gnoll, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:27 2007] You are deflecting some of a rotting plague gnoll's damage with your attacks...
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:28 2007] Raptor slashes a rotting plague gnoll for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:28 2007] a rotting plague gnoll has been slain by Raptor !

rotting plague gnoll dies!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:28 2007] +5% experience (Zone Modifier)
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:28 2007] +10% experience (New Area Bonus)
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:28 2007] You gain 970 experience!!
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:30 2007] You receive 3 silver from the corpse.
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:33 2007] --You have looted a Plague Gnoll Fang.--
[Wed Jul 18 06:30:33 2007] You are no longer in combat.
 
USING STYLE

[Wed Jul 18 06:33:56 2007] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Wed Jul 18 06:33:58 2007] You begin casting Sicken.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:00 2007] Velok hit Tralkh the Scavenger for 8 points of non-melee damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:00 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger sweats and shivers, looking feverish.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:00 2007] Purplez tells the guild, 'My pet will put it to great use ;D'
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:00 2007] Raptor says, 'Attacking your target, Master!'
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:01 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:01 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
Gnoll Attacking Me: Damage done by me: 0 Damage done by pet: 0
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:02 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 22 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:02 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:03 2007] Inputting style command...
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:04 2007] Velok retreats behind their warder.

Used /S 4
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:05 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:05 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 17 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:05 2007] You have entered combat...
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:05 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:05 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:05 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:06 2007] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:07 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:07 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:08 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:08 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:08 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:08 2007] Raptor bashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:08 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:10 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:10 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:11 2007] You are deflecting some of Tralkh the Scavenger's damage with your attacks...
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:11 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:11 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:11 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:11 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:11 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:12 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:13 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:14 2007] Auto attack is off.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:14 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:15 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 17 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:16 2007] Raptor bashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:17 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:17 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:19 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:20 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:20 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 17 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:23 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 14 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:23 2007] You are no longer deflecting Tralkh the Scavenger's damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:23 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:23 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:23 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 21 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:24 2007] Raptor bashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:26 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:26 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 25 points of damage.

Gnoll Attacking Pet: Damage done by me: 32 Damage done by pet: 136
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:26 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits Raptor for 31 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:27 2007] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:27 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger's skin erupts in plague marks.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:27 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:29 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:29 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:30 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:30 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 27 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:31 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:32 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:32 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:32 2007] Auto attack is off.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:32 2007] Raptor tries to bash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!

Gnoll Attacking Me: Damage done by me: 45 Damage done by pet: 163
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:33 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 21 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:33 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 19 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:33 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 19 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:35 2007] You are deflecting some of Tralkh the Scavenger's damage with your attacks...
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:35 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:36 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:36 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:37 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 20 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:38 2007] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:39 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:39 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:39 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:40 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:41 2007] Raptor bashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:41 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 19 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:41 2007] Auto attack is off.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:41 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.

Gnoll Attacking Pet: Damage done by me: 53 Damage done by pet: 226
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:42 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits Raptor for 27 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:42 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits Raptor for 31 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:42 2007] Raptor 's skin erupts in plague marks.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:44 2007] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:44 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 1 point of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:44 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 23 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:45 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits Raptor for 32 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:46 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:46 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:47 2007] Ardenn tells the guild, 'Of course.'
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:47 2007] You are no longer deflecting Tralkh the Scavenger's damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:47 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:47 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:48 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:49 2007] Raptor bashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:49 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 4 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:49 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:49 2007] You kick Tralkh the Scavenger for 8 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:49 2007] Ardenn tells the guild, 'Of course.'
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:50 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!

Gnoll Attacking Me: Damage done by me: 72 Damage done by pet: 253
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:51 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 17 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:51 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:51 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:52 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:53 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:53 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:53 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:54 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:55 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:55 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:56 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:57 2007] Raptor tries to bash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:57 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 23 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:57 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:58 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:58 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:59 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:59 2007] Auto attack is off.
[Wed Jul 18 06:34:59 2007] You are deflecting some of Tralkh the Scavenger's damage with your attacks...
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:00 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:00 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:02 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 19 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:03 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:04 2007] Netherzul tells the guild, 'Hmm, think ill do some of the M '
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:05 2007] Raptor bashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:05 2007] You are no longer deflecting Tralkh the Scavenger's damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:06 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:06 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:06 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:09 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 15 points of damage.

Gnoll Attacking Pet: Damage done by me: 96 Damage done by pet: 292
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:10 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits Raptor for 34 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:10 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits Raptor for 25 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:12 2007] Your Sicken did 4 damage to Tralkh the Scavenger.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:12 2007] Your Sicken spell affecting Tralkh the Scavenger has worn off.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:13 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits Raptor for 33 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:13 2007] Raptor bashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:13 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 23 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:13 2007] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:13 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:15 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 3 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:15 2007] You have become better at Piercing! (45)
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:15 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:16 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits Raptor for 29 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:16 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:16 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 3 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:16 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:18 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:18 2007] You kick Tralkh the Scavenger for 8 points of damage.

Gnoll Attacking Me: Damage done by me: 122 Damage done by pet: 320
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:19 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:19 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:20 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:20 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:20 2007] Raptor tries to slash Tralkh the Scavenger, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:21 2007] Raptor bashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:21 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 2 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:22 2007] You have become better at Defense! (110)
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:22 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:22 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 22 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:23 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:23 2007] You pierce Tralkh the Scavenger for 5 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:23 2007] You are deflecting some of Tralkh the Scavenger's damage with your attacks...
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:24 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 20 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:24 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:25 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger hits YOU for 21 points of damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:26 2007] You try to pierce Tralkh the Scavenger, but miss!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:27 2007] Raptor slashes Tralkh the Scavenger for 14 points of damage.

Tralkh Dies!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:27 2007] Tralkh the Scavenger has been slain by Raptor !
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:27 2007] +5% experience (Zone Modifier)
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:27 2007] +10% experience (New Area Bonus)
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:27 2007] You gain 2079 experience!!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:27 2007] You must first click on the being you wish to attack!
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:29 2007] You receive 5 silver and 2 copper from the corpse.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:29 2007] You are no longer in combat.
[Wed Jul 18 06:35:31 2007] --You have looted a Bandages.--
 
I noticed in the log that you are pullling with a DoT. Let your pet run in and build some aggro before you start attacking, especially if you are casting spells. Even resisted spellls generate some aggro, so checking total damage by each isn't always the most accurate way to judge when you should and shouldn't have aggro. Otherwise, make sure you cast your combat proc on your pet, I didn't see it in the log but you could just have it filtered out. It's extra dps as well as a spell landing, which both produce additional aggro for your pet.

When I play my beastlord solo, my routine usually looks something like:
Send in pet
heal pet once
cast slow on mob
run until pet picks it back up if that got me aggro
heal pet if necessary
cast dots
run in and melee from behind

You might also look into your weapon selection, a big slow 2hb is going to produce much less aggro than dual wielding fast stabby-type weapons that both have combat procs on them.
 
Pet proc was on the whole time, it just only fired once.

[Wed Jul 18 06:29:56 2007] Raptor hit a rotting plague gnoll for 1 points of non-melee damage.
[Wed Jul 18 06:29:56 2007] A rotting plague gnoll is consumed by lightning.

Forgot to mention earlier that pet taunt was on as well.

I was using the daggers because they gave me low dps, that way I could match up with my pet without my knuckles or my 2hb stealing the show. I'd never lose agro that way.

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I know how to play a beastlord very well... Just never had as much trouble controlling agro before. Never had to agro kite either. I've played ping pong with mobs using FoL when I was near death, but that one hasn't worked for years.

I'm used to opening with slow, meleeing till about 50% health, backing out (pet has procced like twice at this point, has tons of agro) healing myself to about 80%, healing pet to full, drop a DoT or two, back in to the melee, rinse and repeat. When the mob runs, DD to stop it. It worked great till now.

I just need to know how this works so I can make the best of it. If it doesn't work... that really sucks.
 
AoiMasamune said:
I know how to play a beastlord very well... Just never had as much trouble controlling agro before. Never had to agro kite either. I've played ping pong with mobs using FoL when I was near death, but that one hasn't worked for years.

I'm used to opening with slow, meleeing till about 50% health, backing out (pet has procced like twice at this point, has tons of agro) healing myself to about 80%, healing pet to full, drop a DoT or two, back in to the melee, rinse and repeat. When the mob runs, DD to stop it. It worked great till now.

Are you saying that you were once able to keep aggro off of yourself before you unlocked the stance and now you can't? As in since you started using the stance you are getting more aggro instead of less? I admit that my own beastlord knowledge is limited, since mine is only ~40 but I just haven't experienced this. To be honest I have had more trouble taking aggro away from my pet (using h2h weps) than keeping a mob on him.

Since I've seen some other posts by you professing that you are new to SoD, I warn you not make the (common) mistake of playing SoD as if it were live eq. Wiz was very fond of telling people that they don't understand SoD's aggro code during the foelock debacle, so you may have to adjust your playstyle accordingly. Having never played live I don't know how my beastlord routine would work out there, but I can tell you that I soloed to ~40 here doing exactly that.
 
Yes RPN, I am referring to my experiences on Live.

I am well aware that Wiz and the other devs have total creative control over this server, and that the game is better for it. I enjoy their new content very much, and have tons of respect for their endurance and vision. *Tips hat*. I have read the rules of the forum, I assure you.

This lovely little journey into 'how to play a beastlord' has very little bearing on the question of, "Is something they built working as they intended?". If someone would be so kind as to reply with a post like:

/Style 4 is working as intended... This is what it is supposed to be used for.., This is what advantage it gives you...

I would happily go back to leveling my beastlord... which I'm already doing anyways, so I guess it matters little.


Also, saying something like, "The agro portion of the pet proc was unrealistic and we wanted beastlords to deal with agro in the same way most other classes are forced to." would be a nice way to respond to my secondary question.

While beastlords are not unplayable (far from it, they still can solo nicely), their play style seems to have become more like a druid than it was before, involving hunting mostly in outdoor zones or very open areas, and encompassing a large chunk of a zone so there is room to kite if necessary. Soloing with a BST has always been about balance between my hps, my pet's hps, and my mana. The goal was to make sure that each is dropping at the same rate, and that mana was always the first to run out. This is now much more difficult to do, as the pet proc was intended to balance out the massive agro you are generating with your spells.

The net result, when I die, I frequently find myself dead, with a fully healed pet, and full mana. This wasn't the case on live, at least to this degree, and I'm trying to understand the advantages of the new system so I can appreciate it.
 
The point Tyrone was making is that this isn't Live, so you shouldn't base your expectations on that.

Why did our pet proc's get their +agro or -agro removed?
Just never had as much trouble controlling agro before. Never had to agro kite either. I've played ping pong with mobs using FoL when I was near death, but that one hasn't worked for years.
I'm used to opening with slow, meleeing till about 50% health, backing out (pet has procced like twice at this point, has tons of agro) healing myself to about 80%, healing pet to full, drop a DoT or two, back in to the melee, rinse and repeat. When the mob runs, DD to stop it. It worked great till now.
Soloing with a BST has always been
This wasn't the case on live

This isn't Ever-Quest. It's a different game. The graphics and classes and stuff may be the same, but the game isn't. Class roles, strengths, and weaknesses are different... meaning don't base your expectations on what you used to do on Live.

As for your specific questions, I don't have the answers as I haven't played a bst (other than botting one at one point waaaaay back when). I'm just saying that your questions about thing that were removed or don't work "anymore" are incorrectly asked, because "always been" and "on live" have nothing to do with what goes on here.
 
This is just so much random information and logs that I only skimmed it. As in, I didn't even read these posts!

But, Pets long ago were coded to not be able to tank if a player was within melee range. So this style was made back then so that beastlords could melee on their own tanking pet (untill stamina ran out.)

Its very likely nothing was changed when pets were allowed to tank again.
 
Just an fyi I don't think I speak for every beastlord on the server but higher end beastlords tend to use /s 7 and not worry about others(Unless it's a special fight requiring something else)

But seriously /s 4 would basically only be used for soloing and /s 7 is pretty king in helping us beastlords solo.

So tough it out to 65 I'd say

I would love to see some work done however so lower beastlords could get some use out of it. But the thing is I doubt much can be done. If they added a tremendous hate proc he would get aggro but you don't always want that to happen.

Hard to say...
 
Although I haven't done any logging, I haven't been able to notice a difference with /s 4 (Spiritual Guardian) either, and I've been trying it out a lot in the past 18 levels.

It seems like all it does is drain your stamina :/
 
when i was leveling there was a marked difference between normal and pet aggro style, it was literally not possible to melee while the pet was tanking if there was no pet aggro style up, if you put it up though you just waited for one proc of hate and you could melee the entire fight

so, it hasn't always been broken.. if it is broken at all
 
ryutakin said:
Just an fyi I don't think I speak for every beastlord on the server but higher end beastlords tend to use /s 7 and not worry about others(Unless it's a special fight requiring something else)

But seriously /s 4 would basically only be used for soloing and /s 7 is pretty king in helping us beastlords solo.

So tough it out to 65 I'd say

I would love to see some work done however so lower beastlords could get some use out of it. But the thing is I doubt much can be done. If they added a tremendous hate proc he would get aggro but you don't always want that to happen.

Hard to say...


Hmmm. I guess I am doing it wrong. Not sure what "higher end" is, but I am level 65 with a few dozen AA's. I have not used /s 7 as much because frankly, my pet tanks pretty well and my heal is effecient. The stamina loss does not seem justified in normal situations. Perhaps I need to experiment with /s 7 more. Of course summoned daggers help a bit with my pet's mitigation.

I am using /s 4 and have found it fairly effective. Basically I can avoid aggro if I only slow and melee.
 
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