Necros and you.

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  1. Tevinter

    Tevinter Dalayan Master

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    I don't understand how you think the changes of 2 functionally useless class tomes will lead to nerfs later on or even an entire class rework.
     
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  2. Jmayzak

    Jmayzak Dalayan Adventurer

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    Cast funeral pyre instead of venom of the snake to boost dps.
    -A Cleric
     
  3. Snake

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    Funeral Pyre of Malath (60):
    Cast time: 4.2 (with CI 8).
    Total damage: 1980
    Duration: 6 ticks.

    That gives (base):
    DPS: 55
    DPM: 4.4


    Caress of Sivyana (62)
    Cast time: 2.9 (with CI 8).
    Total damage: 2207
    Duration: 4 ticks.

    That gives (base):
    DPS: 91.95833333
    DPM: 4.37



    You mean 'Cast funeral pyre instead of venom of the snake to experience the mana dream!', I'm sure.
    Else no. Unless its resisted (which it is here and there, ngl), then for DPS don't do what you said. Do the opposite :)

    Even if Funeral Pyre was "fixed" (the spell before it, and after it, both have 8 ticks, for some reason this only has 6), it would still be worse. Less so, but worse still :)



    Actually if you want to live the mana dream even more, cast
    Pyrocruor (58):
    Total damage: 1776
    Duration: 8 ticks.

    That gives (base):
    DPS: 37
    DPM: 4.44!
     
  4. Jmayzak

    Jmayzak Dalayan Adventurer

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    No, venom of the snake, saitha clickie

    Venom,
    4.6 cast
    40dd
    104*4

    Funeral pyre
    5.5 + gcd 1.8s
    330*6

    Itll be the 8th spell in rotation
     
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  5. Snake

    Snake Dalayan Elder

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    Venom of the Snake, ah....

    Well the thing about that, first of all I don't have it yet, sad panda.
    Second, the cast time on it, is not really 4 seconds (which is kinda bad imo, but different topic), its more like, 1.5 second, since you can cast it in the 'Spellbar locked'-2.5 second timer. Also clicking it doesn't lock your spellbar after completing.


    So the math is a little different...

    I would chose to look at "time invested" vs "damage dealth".

    So time invested on clicker, 1.5 seconds.
    Pyre, 4.2 + 2.5, 6.7 seconds.

    Total damage, snake 456. Pyre 1980.

    1980/6.7 = 295.5
    456/1.5 = 304.


    Yeah the clicker isen't great, and if you just look at raw dps, its 55 vs 12.7, Pyre clear winner there.

    So in a way I agree, but as I apperently is so bad at putting dots on my target, that I struggle with keeping the 5 top dps dots on, I can't cant fit this in to my spam :(
    The clicker, I think I could manage to "sacrifice" 1.5 seconds here and there.
     
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  6. Jmayzak

    Jmayzak Dalayan Adventurer

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    Also, no love for splurt?
     
  7. Snake

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    Tested Incidious Elements with Caress of Sivyana (resist mod 0, so should be the most affected spell along with Scitterpox -5).

    [Fri Aug 11 20:55:50 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:55:56 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:56:02 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:56:08 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:56:21 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:56:27 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:56:33 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:56:39 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:30 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:36 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:42 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:42 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:48 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:48 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:48 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:54 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:57:54 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:00 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1794 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:00 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:07 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:13 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:19 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:25 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:31 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1793 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:31 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:37 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1793 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:37 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:58:43 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 898 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:59:01 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:59:07 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:59:13 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:59:19 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:59:25 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:59:31 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:59:37 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 20:59:44 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:08 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:14 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:20 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:20 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:26 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:26 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:32 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1793 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:38 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 898 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:51 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:00:57 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:15 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:21 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:21 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:27 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:27 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:33 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1789 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:33 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:45 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:51 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:01:57 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 894 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:02:04 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 896 damage to an elthannar wizard.

    Then I cast Embedding Darkness, Plague, Pyrocruor and then finally Caress of Sivyana (couldn't cast Archaic, they would die to fast).
    This happent:
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:48 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 941 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:36 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 943 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:42 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:48 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 943 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:49 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 941 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:55 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1882 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:01 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1882 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:13 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1887 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:20 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 943 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:13 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 910 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:20 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 925 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:26 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 925 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:32 2017] Your Caress of Sivyana did 1885 damage to a decadent elven guard.

    So thats not to bad.

    Then I cast some Pyrocruor (-100 mod) on a respawn guard, just 1 dot, to see the difference... This is all mixed up, 1 dot and 3 and 4 dots on target...
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:04 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:10 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:17 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:23 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:29 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:11 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:17 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:23 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:29 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:36 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:42 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:48 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:54 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 449 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:18 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:24 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:30 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:36 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:42 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:43 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:49 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:55 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:01 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:07 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:13 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:20 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:50 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:56 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:08:02 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:08:08 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:08:14 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:08:20 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:08:27 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 443 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:08:33 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 899 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:08:45 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:08:51 2017] Your Pyrocruor did 887 damage to a decadent elven guard.

    Nothing.


    This is Embedding Darkness (0 mod), same, 1 dot, 2 dots, 3 dots, 4 dots, all mixed up.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:02:58 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:04 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:10 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:17 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:23 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:03:29 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:05 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:11 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:17 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:23 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:29 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:36 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:42 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:48 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:04:54 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:12 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:18 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:24 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:30 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:36 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:42 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:05:48 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:19 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:25 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:25 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:31 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:31 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:37 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:37 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:43 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:43 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:49 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:49 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:55 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:06:55 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:01 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:01 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:07 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:13 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:07:20 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to an elthannar wizard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:09:37 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:09:43 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:09:49 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:09:55 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:01 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:07 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:13 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:20 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:26 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 136 damage to a decadent elven guard.
    [Fri Aug 11 21:10:32 2017] Your Embedding Darkness did 272 damage to a decadent elven guard.

    Again nothing. I guess elthannarians have low MR.


    So conclusion is, Insidious Elements deff. does something. Case closed.

    Buuut... Because most necro spells has such high neg mod, it will only help a few of their spells, or if the mob is high resistant, yet not immune (or very highly resistant).
    Not a fan, but nice to see that it does do something atleast :)
     

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