Cleric epic

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Hasrett

Dalayan Beginner
I'm sure there was a good reason for taking out the cleric epic, but is there some way it could be reimplemented, or some alternative quest for a comparable rez item?

The way things stand, newer high level guilds have a huge handicap when it comes to raiding and wiping: it's not just a matter of not having the item; it's that there's no way we can get it.
 
Being a L 51 cleric now, I would be thinking about starting the Cleric epic if it was in. From what I understand, it was taken out because it was thought to be too easy. Thats fine with me because when I get my epic, I want it to mean something.

I read the Cleric epic walk though as it was before, and it sounded like a decent, fun quest. Would it be possible to just add a couple more mini-quests within the epic to lengthen it some, and then put it back in without having to do a ton of work? That would help out alot of guilds with newer clerics as Hasrett mentioned.
 
Epic's are on the back-burner right now, and as much as I agree with you Has, don't expect anything soon. ;(
 
That's pretty rough on the rising guilds =/ Couldn't just put it back in the way it was (or similar, anyway, since it probably involved some LoM zones that were taken out)?
 
I fully agree with this. It sucks that no clerics that don't currently have it cannot get it. It lengthens getting people rezed from a wipe 3-4x than if clerics had rez shields.
 
Here's a suggestion to maybe tide everyone over until the cleric epic gets put back in. It seems the mana regen is the hardest part of a recovery when no clicky clerics are present. Reviviscence is currently 600 mana with a 7 sec cast time and 15 sec recast. The epic has r-click rez with a 10 sec cast time. How about a L65 upgrade to the castable spell from the shield? Maybe 200 mana but extend the cast time to 20 sec and a 10 sec recast? Would make raid wipe recovery faster, the epic would still be far superior, and for normal grouping I'd rather use the higher mana/faster casting version to get the group rolling again, assuming it wasn't a total group wipe. Besides, pallies get the same spell at 64. How many other hybrid classes can claim to inherit the best version of their parent classes "signature" spell?
 
I like that my class defining trait is recovering from a fuck-up.

But I do like the idea of a lower mana, higher casting rez, at least as a temporary fix.
 
Or if you were that dedicated to getting your raid moving faster you could bite the bullet and take a 0%. At raid level 50pp shouldn't kill you to buy off debt when the raid is over. :p
 
Can you pay off debt after a rez though? I know it doesn't work conversly, once you pay off a debt you can't be rezzed, even with only a 0% rez.
 
In the cleric guild in Newport, you can buy off debt. AFAIK it isn't affected by rezzes. Also, you can rez a corpse for 0% debt.
 
Target and consider the corpse, it'll tell you how much exp debt it holds.

This means that if you have 100% exp debt and die again, the new corpse will hold a 0% exp debt, thus you won't get any debt recovery by rezzing it.
 
I think Luciola's confusion is based on paying off the debt before hand. If you pay before getting a rez, the body becomes unrezzable. The method under discussion would be to 0% rez on the raid, then pay off the debt after the raid.

Of course, that's still kinda rough. If you wipe with 20 people it costs your guild 1k. I suspect Venerate isn't the only guild learning a lot of new mobs and wiping fairly frequently as we develop new strategies. Our raids are also based on when we have enough people on to take a target that's up, so we quite often will do two or three smaller raids in a day. That could easily add up to several kpp in one day.
 
How would a longer casting/recast and lower mana rez fix this and be at all balanced?

There are only a handful of times when you would need a rez in 7 seconds and could not wait the 20, the older spell would just simply not be used.
 
iaeolan said:
How would a longer casting/recast and lower mana rez fix this and be at all balanced?

There are only a handful of times when you would need a rez in 7 seconds and could not wait the 20, the older spell would just simply not be used.
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The puller for the raid dies, happens all the time. Hit him with the quick casting/high mana rez so he can get back on his feet quicker. The clerics are all standing around FM anyway.
 
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